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 | Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 7:56:20 mst
Comment ID: #1
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.org
Good riddance to greed-fueled doctors. She won't be missed, and there will be many to take her place. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 8:12:53 mst
Comment ID: #2
Name: Paul Hsieh
E-mail: paul(at)geekpress(dot)com
URL: http://www.geekpress.com
If ObamaCare gets passed, then someday those who advocated for "universal care" and who currently take for granted high quality affordable care will wake up and find that it's no longer available. Instead, they'll have only empty government promises of "coverage", just as patients currently do in Canada and Great Britain.
If they have a bad headache caused by a possible brain tumor, they'll be told that they'll get their "free" MRI scan -- in 9 months.
And unlike Canadians who can cross the border to get prompt care right now, those patients won't have another America to go to.
Of course, those advocates of "universal care" will complain that this isn't what they intended and that they don't want to die.
But they will have brought that on themselves. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 8:49:18 mst
Comment ID: #3
Name: Clint
E-mail: clint_smith61(at)yahoo.com
URL: http://dummyfencing.typepad.com
Paul,
I find that's part of the "zombie" of state-run anything: "This isn't what we meant!" A complete and total divorce of theory and practice. I, once, had someone tell me that Communism is "great in theory", when asked why that theory didn't translate, they responded that people were the problem (cliche, I know, but the truth).
But, why ask people to compare with Canada or UK? Just look at Massachusetts. They have total "universal coverage" and it's already showing us it's a total disaster just months after. Or, look at the VA system, Medicare, etc. All of these systems are what we can expect to endure (although much worse since there will be no private system to prop up the state-run side). |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 8:55:17 mst
Comment ID: #4
Name: Joe Maurone
E-mail: spaceplayer2112(at)hotmail.com
URL: http://superherobabylong.blogspot.com
Yeah, John. Good riddance to those greedy doctors. We need more compassionate, caring people...like Nurse Ratched.
I found it interesting that the author of the article is a psychiatrist. Thomas Szasz has been warning us for years that THAT field was already corrupted by too much state interference politically. NOW that lefties like Jeanine Garofalo are claiming that tea party protesters are "mentally ill"...
Sorry, Diana, but in spite of your dissertation, I have to wish Johnny Blaze here good luck with those doctors who take their place. He's going to need it... |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 9:02:41 mst
Comment ID: #5
Name: Steve D'Ippolito
To drive home a point: This will hurt patients at least as much as it will hurt doctors. When my (quite competent) doctors quit the field, as they are _entirely justified_ in doing, where will I get treatment? From some dufus?
There won't *be* anyone to replace them, except possibly people who flunked out of medical school. Perhaps as an "emergency" measure they will be given licenses to practice medicine to "solve" the shortage.
I don't deserve this but I am getting it. Johnny Blaze *does* deserve it, and I will have the thin consolation of seeing him and all his range of the moment mushbrain friends get it.
Of course if I get in really bad shape medically I may just decide to put a bullet through my brain rather than trust the chimpanzees who will sit behind the sign that says "MD"--and I won't even have that thin consolation of seeing Johnny and company get what they deserve.
Why is it that when people like them have a bad idea, I have to suffer for it? I am perfectly willing to let them go to Hell in their own handbasket, but they insist on taking me along for the ride.
Okay, now I have to write checks for my last emergency room visit--which are at least twice as large as they should be because of EMTALA and the cost of the mammoth parasitic bureaucracy a hospital has to support to deal with government mandated bullshit paperwork. Thanks *again* Johnny and friends (and quit blaming the doctors for the consequences of your own shit). |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 9:46:47 mst
Comment ID: #6
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.com
Doctors are overly educated anyway, and entry into med schools is overly restrictive. This is why D.O. schools have been popular as of late. They don't require such high test scores and impressive resumes. But guess what, studies have shown that the doctors are JUST AS GOOD as their MD conterparts.
The fact is that we could and should have many many more doctors practicing right now. But guess who didn't want this. THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. That's right, they campaigned hard to prevent new medical schools from opening: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm.
Hopefully the Obama administration will tell the AMA where to shove it and open up new medical schools, bring in more doctors from overseas, etc. It really is just a simple issue of supply and demand. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 9:47:31 mst
Comment ID: #7
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.com
Doctors are overly educated anyway, and entry into med schools is overly restrictive. This is why D.O. schools have been popular as of late. They don't require such high test scores and impressive resumes. But guess what, studies have shown that the doctors are JUST AS GOOD as their MD conterparts.
The fact is that we could and should have many many more doctors practicing right now. But guess who didn't want this. THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. That's right, they campaigned hard to prevent new medical schools from opening: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-03-02-doctor-shortage_x.htm.
Hopefully the Obama administration will tell the AMA where to shove it and open up new medical schools, bring in more doctors from overseas, etc. It really is just a simple issue of supply and demand. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 10:01:31 mst
Comment ID: #8
Name: BrianS
"Good riddance to greed-fueled doctors. She won't be missed, and there will be many to take her place."
Ah, the slave-owner mentality snarls again. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 10:47:55 mst
Comment ID: #9
Name: Johnathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.org
Oooh... scathing, BrianS. You gonna call me a Nazi too?
Whereever there is a gap for making easy money, there will be many to fill that gap. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 11:00:47 mst
Comment ID: #10
Name: William H Stoddard
E-mail: whswhs(at)mindspring.com
URL: http://whswhs.livejournal.com/profile
I must say, I quite sympathize with "Dr. Sanity"'s reactions from the patient side. In fact, I spent the weekend going through an unpleasant attack of nihilism . . . I suppose you might call it a Dominique Francon mood . . . over the current progress of health care proposals: to be specific, the apparent agreement of Democrats and Republicans to make health insurance mandatory.
I'm in my sixtieth year, and self-employed, and I don't have health insurance. I can certainly see that it would be beneficial . . . but when I had it, it cost me 12% of my gross income, and I couldn't afford to visit my doctor or dentist (which my purely catastrophic coverage didn't pay for). And my costs were continuing to go up. After I discontinued it, I was able to resume getting health care . . . and when I needed lab work done, I could pay for that in cash, and the facility was even willing to give me a discount for doing so. Now, if I came down with something major, I would have had to use up my personal savings, or hope for charity, or resign myself to dying; but I was in good enough health to decide to take my chances.
Now I face being compelled to pay for health insurance. And of course we're assured that it will be made affordable, but by the time Congress and the bureaucracies and lobbyists get done with it, who knows? With nonmandatory insurance (one of the things Obama campaigned on), if it wasn't a good deal, I could not sign up and be no worse off. With mandatory insurance, even if it makes me painfully worse off, I'll have to sign up, or pay penalties that will cost me just as much. Apparently no one in Congress can grasp the idea that adults are able to decide for themselves what counts as "hardship."
And, you know, I don't really see much chance of any politician getting any better. I felt like the most effective thing to do with Congress would be to drag them out into the streets, disembowel them, and leave them to die, and hope they wouldn't be replaced. I don't think nihilism is actually a good idea, but considering how government is going now, I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe we'd be worse off without it. So I think perhaps I understand, emotionally, what the strikers in Atlas Shrugged felt when John Galt came and talked to them. It's not a pleasant state to be in. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 11:25:26 mst
Comment ID: #11
Name: BrianS
Note that JB doesn't even try to deny that his principles are that of slavery. Instead he retreats to using a logical fallacy - the resort to ridicule. Of course this type of personal attack is no different than those aimed at abolitionists by slave owners. They too tried to ridicule those who believed in freedom rather than slavery. In other words, they too attacked the good and promoted evil. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 11:45:22 mst
Comment ID: #12
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.com
What in the bloody hell are you frothing at the mouth about, BrianS? You're the one who brought up the asinine 'slavery' card. No one is being enslaved. Doctors are still making gobs of money. You deserve nothing but ridicule for your useless hyperbole. Why don't YOU begin by saying something of significance, instead of trotting out your useless platitutdes, as you have done in other discussion threads. No one buys your bull, dude. Give it up. Say something that means something or scram. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 13:41:38 mst
Comment ID: #13
Name: Dan G.
JB,
Slavery is the lack of freedom of action, receiving compensation for actions dictated to you doesn't nullify the fact that programs like those proposed restrict the freedoms of action and association of doctors and patients. Calling such restrictions slavery is not hyperbolic; though if you have your concepts vaguely defined, it might seem that way.
You are quite quick to jump to ad hominems, you mustn't have much of a basis for your position. Froth away troll. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 13:46:49 mst
Comment ID: #14
Name: BrianS
"You're the one who brought up the asinine 'slavery' card."
Apparently JB didn't read the original post in which both the author AND Paul "brought up" the fact that people like JB are trying to enslave doctors.
"No one buys your bull, dude."
Given the above, the only person who doesn't "buy" what I am saying is JB - ie the individual with the slave owner mentality. Of course, that is to be expected. The individual who wants to enslave others today has to deny it - because everyone knows slavery is evil.
"No one is being enslaved. Doctors are still making gobs of money."
And slaves were given food, housing, medical care, clothing, etc. That didn't make them any less slaves. What made them slaves was the legal claim that others could dispose of their lives and effort as they wished. And that is precisely what JB demands - which is precisely why he is identified as having a slave owner mentality.
"You deserve nothing but ridicule for your useless hyperbole."
And here again we see JB retreating to irrationality - ie the logical fallacy of the resort to ridicule instead of any *rational* defense of his premises. Naturally, he is indignant at having the true nature of his desire stripped bare for all the world to see. But his emotionalism doesn't change the nature of his disgusting desire. Nor does it change the immorality of that desire. It simply exposes it and him for what they are - evil.
Of course, there is *one* distinct difference between the southern slave owners and JB. They didn't CONDEMN others for *not* VOLUNTEERING to be their slaves. In this respect, JB is MUCH more evil than the southern slave owner. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 13:51:35 mst
Comment ID: #15
Name: Steve D'Ippolito
And just to add fuel to the fire:
JB has claimed again and again that the real problem is doctors' organizations acting to restrict the supply of doctors.
OK, Johnnyboy, it's put up or shut up time. If that's the problem why are you advocating THIS instead of advocating repealing licensure laws? Why must one government intervention be fixed with another one?
Or maybe perhaps you want an unearned freebie and this is just your excuse. You hypocrite. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 14:26:34 mst
Comment ID: #16
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.com
Give me a break, BrianS. If doctors don't like the system, then they don't have to participate in it. They can run off and do something else. There's no slavery. However, if they still want to keep collecting their fat profits, they have to play by the rules. Easy as that.
That's like if my boss told me to stay late in the office to finish an assignment, and I called him HITLER. Since Hitler forced the Jews to work in concentration camps, surely I can compare my boss to Hitler for forcing me to work too, right? Logical fallacy much?
NO, it's ridiculous, and so is your idiotic OMGSLAVERY nonsense. No matter how many times you throw around words like 'logical fallacy', 'irrational', and 'immorality of desire' in an attempt to make your words sound academic and credentialed, anyone with half a brain can see that you have no substance. You can wrap a pile of shit in a pretty pink bow, but in the end it still stinks.
Oh, and your whole "good" and "evil" thing makes you sound like some silly Christian. Seriously, dude? As if you are fit to declare the inherent "good" and "evil" in things? Are you trying to look ignorant, or perhaps you're just drunk on the Ayn Rand Kool Aid. Yeah, that's gotta be it, ROFL.
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Steve, of course licensure laws should be repealed. This is the obvious solution. But I'll probably see unicorns flying outside my window before that happens.
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 14:40:35 mst
Comment ID: #17
Name: Anthony
Would a master say "good riddance" to his slave when she quits? |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 14:50:03 mst
Comment ID: #18
Name: Anthony
"This will hurt patients at least as much as it will hurt doctors."
I don't know who it's going to hurt more, but any law which interferes with the right of people to enter into voluntary contractual agreements hurts *both* parties. For some reason there are a large number of people who don't seem to understand that obvious fact. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 15:15:14 mst
Comment ID: #19
Name: BrianS
"If doctors don't like the system, then they don't have to participate in it."
"if they still want to keep collecting their fat profits, they have to play by the rules"
It is nice to see JB admit that people are NOT free think or act voluntarily but are slaves who are forced to live by his rules. Want to be a doctor? You will obey Master Johnny or face his whip. You will have you money stolen from you, you will be barred from voluntary interaction with others, and you may even be jailed. Why? Because you dared think you were FREE to act WITHOUT his permission.
A man his own sovereign? Don't make Slave Master Johnny laugh.
"That's like if my boss told me to stay late in the office to finish an assignment"
And here we see Slave Master Johnny's error. He thinks government and/or society is the boss and doctor's its employee. The State is the master and the citizen its slave.
He really needs to stop making my case for me. :)
"As if you are fit to declare the inherent "good" and "evil" in things?"
You see, only Slave Master Johnny is allowed to identify things as right or wrong, good or evil. Slaves have no business opening their mouths (except to say 'Yes Massa Johnny) let alone disagree with him. That is why he spits forth his invectives, his abuse, and his irrationality. Why be rational when speaking to a slave? A slave is not deserving of reason. It is only deserving of a whip to make it OBEY its master's whims.
JB - the epitome of the slave master mentality. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 15:19:30 mst
Comment ID: #20
Name: BrianS
Anthony asks: "Would a master say "good riddance" to his slave when she quits?"
Would a slave master say "good riddance" to an uppity slave who refuses to follow its master's commands, keeps trying to escape from its owner, and tries to organize the slaves to overthrow their master? Slaves were MURDERED for such things.
In other words, OF COURSE a master would say "good riddance" to such a slave. It is precisely this type of slave he wants to CRUSH under his heel. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 15:45:16 mst
Comment ID: #21
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.org
BrianS, looks like Anthony's point has flown right over your head (as do most rational arguments, I gather).
Slaves can't quit, dude. That's the whole freakin' point. The way you tried to twist this to fit your pathetic little OMGSLAVERY angle was plain laughable. Keep spinning on that hamster-wheel there, buddy.
The government has to step into health care because when we let the doctors self-regulate, this happens:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-02-26-doctor-shortage_N.htm
I think you live in a little Ayn Randian libertarian fantasyland. Let me guess, in high-school you used to draw the anarchy symbol everywhere to show how much of a rebel you were. Maybe you're one of those people who thinks he doesn't have to pay income tax.
But here in the REAL world, not Randland, like it or not -- you, me, everybody, we are all the government's bitch.
Now quit postin on these here Interwebs and go PICK ME SOME COTTON, BOY. *cracks whip* |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 16:32:54 mst
Comment ID: #22
Name: John Harris
E-mail: John.Harris00 at Gmail DOTlcom
Just stop feeding the trolls. Yes if you stop, it'll get board and leave.
I've had good shrinks, and bad ones. I fear for the good ones, they wanted to help people work though problems. The bad ones just sit there, doing nothing.
Group think doesn't work, nor does telling people not to think, nor act. Things fall apart due to apathy and disrepair.
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 16:46:25 mst
Comment ID: #23
Name: Anthony
"Slaves can't quit, dude. That's the whole freakin' point."
Not exactly. Slaves can quit, after all.
I pretty much disagree with everything you are saying, JB. But I'd never claim that posting stupidity on the Internet is more evil than being a southern slave owner. That's just crazy-talk. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 17:38:53 mst
Comment ID: #24
Name: BrianS
"Slaves can't quit, dude. That's the whole freakin' point."
Historically, slaves quit all the time. They left those who legally initiated force against them - who subjugated them. The organized version of quitting slavery was called The Underground Railroad - and it was run by those with the OPPOSITE mentality possessed by JB.
Doctors today don't have it so lucky. They can't run away to someplace they are left free. They cannot go someplace where they are not subject to the mindless whims of tin-horn dictator wannabe's like JB.
And THAT is "the whole freakin' point".
Doctors are FORCED to either OBEY other's commandments or NOT be doctors. These are the actions they are PERMITTED by others. They are NOT left free. They do NOT act by right. They act ONLY as they are ALLOWED.
THAT is evil.
THAT is what makes them slaves.
"That's like if my boss told me to stay late in the office to finish an assignment"
And here we see Massa Johnny's error. He thinks government and/or society is the boss and doctors its employees. He thinks the State is the master and the citizen its slave.
Put simply, for JB there is no such thing as a sovereign individual. Man acts, NOT by right, but ONLY by PERMISSION.
THAT is evil.
THAT is slavery.
"The way you tried to twist this to fit your pathetic little OMGSLAVERY angle was plain laughable. Keep spinning on that hamster-wheel there, buddy."
And here we see WHY Johnny has been designated this site's official court jester. ALL he is capable of doing is irrationally resorting to ridicule. He has NO logic. He has NO argument. He has only mindless gutter guffaws which he substitutes for reason. That is pure emotionalism - which is the epistemological source of his slave owner mentality.
Put simply, JB LAUGHS at the idea man should be free. He LAUGHS the idea man is sovereign. He LAUGHS at any thought man should act by something other than PERMISSION.
And THAT is what makes JB evil. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 17:46:43 mst
Comment ID: #25
Name: BrianS
Anthony
Is this statement aimed at me?
"But I'd never claim that posting stupidity on the Internet is more evil than being a southern slave owner. That's just crazy-talk." |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 18:26:55 mst
Comment ID: #26
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.org
And here we see WHY Johnny has been designated this site's official court jester. ALL he is capable of doing is irrationally resorting to ridicule. He has NO logic. He has NO argument. He has only mindless gutter guffaws which he substitutes for reason. That is pure emotionalism - which is the epistemological source of his slave owner mentality.
Put simply, JB LAUGHS at the idea man should be free. He LAUGHS the idea man is sovereign. He LAUGHS at any thought man should act by something other than PERMISSION.
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This is what you so wish to believe. While the other kids in high school were out socializing, you were cooped up in your bedroom, re-reading your dog-eared copy of the Fountainhead for the 50th time just waiting for the day where you would really "show them" how great you were. Such repetitive activities so twisted your brain in those formative years to produce the sad, angry person you are today, so trapped in the idealistic way you want things to be, that you fail to see the way things really are. Your entire life is nothing but the product of the state, yet you fight against it tooth and nail. "Man is free, Man is sovereign" you mindlessly spout on the state-created and state-protected Internet, not realizing that living your life by such mere tautological platitudes makes you something to be laughed at
You ain't free, buddy. Grow some cannabis plans on your front lawn and see what happens. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 18:59:58 mst
Comment ID: #27
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
BrianS and others -- Please stop feeding the troll. He's only entertaining in very small doses. Plus, he's not worth your time; please go do something more enjoyable, such a poke at your eyeball with a stick. :-) |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 19:30:30 mst
Comment ID: #28
Name: BrianS
And now JB goes from resort to ridicule to ad hom. In other words, from laughing to snarling.
What is still missing? A rational argument.
Johnny does show, though, how he came to have the slave owner mentality. He believes his "entire life is nothing but the product of the state". He "ain't free". He is a "state-created" slave who is now seeking to make everyone else slaves as well. In this respect, he is like the abused child who becomes the abuser in adulthood, all the while trying to justify his abuse as somehow good rather than evil.
I now see why Diana allows him to remain on her site. Johnny serves as the perfect concretization of the completely anti-man mentality. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 19:31:42 mst
Comment ID: #29
Name: BrianS
Diana - didn't see your post until after finishing mine. Sorry. |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 19:38:39 mst
Comment ID: #30
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
BrianS -- No problem! Now go start poking your eye with a stick! ;-) |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 19:41:20 mst
Comment ID: #31
Name: BrianS
I promise. Just one of them though. ;) |
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| Tuesday, June 23, 2009 at 20:43:22 mst
Comment ID: #32
Name: KPO'M
E-mail: ka84796(at)comcast.net
Wow, someone seems to have touched a nerve with JB. I had begun to think he'd stop eating the Noodlefood.
In any case, he's happy to see a greedy doctor leave, confident that another greedy doctor will take her place. I'm not sure how that improves things in JB's mind. |
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| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 at 8:35:17 mst
Comment ID: #33
Name: Steve D'Ippolito
Diana: BrianS -- No problem! Now go start poking your eye with a stick! ;-)
BrianS: I promise. Just one of them though. ;)
Just do it quickly while there is still a competent doctor around to treat it afterwards.
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| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 at 9:49:59 mst
Comment ID: #34
Name: BrianS
Steve - it's my 'third eye' so it doesn't matter. ;) |
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| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 at 10:40:16 mst
Comment ID: #35
Name: Anthony
Now you're living the Semi-Charmed Life, eh? |
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| Wednesday, June 24, 2009 at 13:59:36 mst
Comment ID: #36
Name: Jonathan Blaze
E-mail: jon(at)blaze.org
Heh. The more I look at Rand-worshippers, the more similarities I see to brainwashed Christians.
Instead of yelling "God is Great!", you yell "Man is Free!", not realizing that both phrases have the same purpose. They're both simple little statements that provide the illusion of order and absolute truth, and they make the person uttering them feel good about themselves. And when analyzed, they are both equally meaningless.
It feels good to say "Man is Free!" It makes one feel happy and self-satisfied, the same way a Christian yells "God is Great" to make them feel like their life has order and purpose.
And that is basically what all religion really boils down to, creating a general feeling of optimism and well-being and a reason to live.
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