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| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 2:14:00 mst
Comment ID: #1 Name: Michael Labeit E-mail: logician169(at)yahoo.com URL: http://unit-perspective.blogspot.com Along with "moral" condemnation, the pro-Hamas protesters in Manhattan and around the world are appealing to the old Just War Theory arguments against Israel, most notably the proportionality and discrimination claims. | ||
| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 3:49:46 mst
Comment ID: #2 Name: Ted Coxhead E-mail: tedcoxhead(at)yahoo.co.uk According to reports in the British media, Hamas was expecting some kind of response for breaching the cease-fire, but not THIS response. What seems to enrage the media most is that some Israeli politicians have come close to using the V ( for Victory )word that has been so carefully expunged from the military and ethical lexicon. It is to be hoped though that after the upcoming Israeli elections are decided, that the Israeli's will be able to resist the calls to soft peddle. I doubt it. | ||
| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 9:27:38 mst
Comment ID: #3 Name: KPO'M E-mail: ka84796(at)comcast.net Ted, Obama is playing the "we have one president at a time" line until he figures out a response (he only has two more weeks to use that excuse, but perhaps by then it will be clearer how serious Israel is about fighting this to a win, unlike last year's incursion into Lebanon). Apparently that isn't playing well with the pro-Hamas crowd: | ||
| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 11:05:26 mst
Comment ID: #4 Name: Ted Coxhead E-mail: tedcoxhead(at)yahoo.co.uk KPO'M, your link to the Chicago Tribune has this: "They suggest that his refusal to speak out on Gazaâ€"where at least 460 Palestinians have died, compared with four Israeli deaths from the rocketsâ€"implies indifference to the plight of Palestinians or even complicity with Israel." It puts it in a nutshell doesn't it? The outrage is about how "disproportionate" the Israeli response is. Like, if 4 Israeli's were killed then it would be legitimate to kill between 2 and 6 Palestinians, but 460 is totally unjustified! | ||
| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 12:40:21 mst
Comment ID: #5 Name: Elisheva Levin E-mail: elisheva(at)unm.edu URL: http://ragamuffinstudies.blogspot.com Thanks. | ||
| Monday, January 5, 2009 at 13:35:31 mst
Comment ID: #6 Name: Freddy Ben-Zeev E-mail: benzeev(at)comcast(dot)net If anything, Israel is bending over backwards in its attempt to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza. Even when they bombed the home of wanted senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayan (which was also used as command center and weapons storage) Israel warned him and his neighbours before the attack (he ignored the warning with his wives and children and was was killed). | ||
| Tuesday, January 6, 2009 at 11:56:08 mst
Comment ID: #7 Name: Grant Jones E-mail: capitalist1776(at)yahoo.com URL: http://www.kalapanapundit.blogspot.com What civilized world? | ||
| Wednesday, January 7, 2009 at 1:31:45 mst
Comment ID: #8 Name: Richard Watts E-mail: rw1963(at)earthlink.net Elisheva, | ||
| Wednesday, January 7, 2009 at 22:33:28 mst
Comment ID: #9 Name: Cameron Reilly E-mail: cameron(at)thepodcastnetwork.com URL: http://gdayworld.thepodcastnetwork.com/ I'd be interested in your opinion on why, if Israel is the victim here, there are so many UN resolutions condemning Israel's behaviour over the last 50 years but none, that I'm aware of, condemning Palestine? | ||
| Wednesday, January 7, 2009 at 23:13:14 mst
Comment ID: #10 Name: Andrew Dalton E-mail: andrew.s.dalton(at)gmail.com URL: http://witchdoctorrepellent.blogspot.com "I'd be interested in your opinion on why, if Israel is the victim here, there are so many UN resolutions condemning Israel's behaviour over the last 50 years but none, that I'm aware of, condemning Palestine?" | ||
| Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 0:44:14 mst
Comment ID: #11 Name: Cameron Reilly E-mail: cameron(at)thepodcastnetwork.com URL: http://gdayworld.thepodcastnetwork.com/ Andrew, if you can refute the information on the "troofer/conspiracy website" then go ahead. The UN represents the views of the world's governments. If it is a "sham organization", then I assume you also think the entire world, outside of the USA and Israel of course, are sham countries? | ||
| Thursday, January 8, 2009 at 7:51:03 mst
Comment ID: #12 Name: Andrew Dalton E-mail: andrew.s.dalton(at)gmail.com URL: http://witchdoctorrepellent.blogspot.com Cameron, people who make allegations have the responsibility to prove them; it's not my burden to refute the arbitrary claims that other people conjure up. (Yes, we care about epistemology here, too!) And I've seen enough of the troofers' claims, such as incorrect statements about the properties of steel at high temperatures, to know that I shouldn't be wasting my time with them. | ||
| Friday, January 9, 2009 at 13:36:14 mst
Comment ID: #13 Name: Cameron Reilly E-mail: cameron(at)thepodcastnetwork.com URL: http://gdayworld.thepodcastnetwork.com/ Andrew, well in this case all the "troofer" is stating it that the UN has repeatedly censured Israel for its military aggression over the past 40 years and it has not once censured Palestine. So let's just agree that this is FACT and you won't have to waste your precious intellect trying to refute it. You don't care though, because you declared the UN is "a sham organization that mainly represents the interests of dictatorships." Do you have the intellectual integrity to prove *that* claim? | ||
| Friday, January 9, 2009 at 16:26:31 mst
Comment ID: #14 Name: Ted Coxhead E-mail: tedcoxhead(at)yahoo.co.uk Cameron Reilly: "The UN represents the views of the world's governments." Yes, it does. Government's like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria to name just three. | ||
| Friday, January 9, 2009 at 18:54:19 mst
Comment ID: #15 Name: Andrew Dalton E-mail: andrew.s.dalton(at)gmail.com URL: http://witchdoctorrepellent.blogspot.com The reason why the United Nations is a travesty--and why membership by the United States or any other halfway sane nation is self-destructive--has been explained by Ted in the previous post. | ||
| Monday, January 12, 2009 at 1:20:29 mst
Comment ID: #16 Name: Cameron Reilly E-mail: cameron(at)thepodcastnetwork.com URL: http://gdayworld.thepodcastnetwork.com/ Ted, while I don't think many people who suggest that the UN is a perfect institution, since 1945 it has been the center of a historic attempt at civilized international relations. It attempts a democratic approach to resolving global issues, where each country has a vote (it isn't one person, one vote, unfortunately). Democracies always involve the voices of people whose values and opinions differ from ours. It has the same legitimacy as any democratic body - that which is given my its members. If you have an superior alternative to democracy, then let's hear it. Unilateral military actions by countries certainly isn't the way forward. | ||
| Monday, January 12, 2009 at 1:24:19 mst
Comment ID: #17 Name: Cameron Reilly E-mail: cameron(at)thepodcastnetwork.com URL: http://gdayworld.thepodcastnetwork.com/ And I might add that there isn't a single Muslim country as a permanent member of the UNSC. So when it comes to deciding about whether or not the UN should get involved in a region, it's hard for you to make a credible case about Muslim extremists running the show. | ||
| Monday, January 12, 2009 at 10:19:02 mst
Comment ID: #18 Name: Ted Coxhead E-mail: tedcoxhead(at)yahoo.co.uk "...while I don't think many people who suggest that the UN is a perfect institution, since 1945 it has been the center of a historic attempt at civilized international relations." Cameron, it is neither possible, nor desirable, to attempt civilized relations with nations that are not "civilized". Without by any means exhausting the list, just look at the 3 I mentioned up the thread. Why would anyone wish to have a dialogue with the theocratic thugs who run Iran? Far better to treat them the way Sherman and Grant treated the South in the American Civil War, or America treated Japan. Countries such as Iran, who Hamas are proxies for, should be warned to leave America and her allies alone. Failure to heed such warnings should lead to their destruction. No attempt should then be made at "nation building". They should simply be left with a warning that should they err again, they will face the same treatment. The clear moral responsibility for any civilan deaths or collateral destruction, belongs entirely with the perpetrators. | ||