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 | Friday, November 21, 2008 at 8:52:54 mst
Comment ID: #1
Name: John Drake
E-mail: tryreason(at)gmail.com
URL: http://trhome.blogspot.com
I have similar concerns.
I would add this: Yes advocacy is essential. But as with anything, understanding reality is essential. If your goal is cultural change, it is important to understand how ideas are adopted by individuals in society. Are there any over-arching trends that might help guide your efforts into a more efficient programs of advocacy? For a partial answer to this question, I recommend the book Diffusion of Innovations by Everett Rogers. In Rogers terms, innovations can be technology OR ideas (including philosophic ideas). After 1000s of research projects over many decades looking at many different innovations, some overarching trends are observed as to how ideas and technologies spread through society. Like much research today, the work tends to be highly descriptive, not normative. But there are a few practical applications, such as on page 361, where he very briefly discusses "Strategies for Getting to Critical Mass". I will note that ARI is explicitly pursuing 3 of the 4 strategies.
A couple years ago, I wrote a few notes on Objectivism in relation to Diffusion of Innovation theory - http://trhome.blogspot.com/2006/05/objectivism-diffused.html. (As a disclaimer, I no longer associate with some groups or websites listed in that post...many thanks to Diana for helping me see the light). There is much more I would add today if I could find the time to write about it.
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 | Friday, November 21, 2008 at 15:26:21 mst
Comment ID: #2
Name: Jim May
E-mail: seerak(at)gmail.com
"At what point do we decide that we don't have freedom of speech to the extent that it is safe to speak?"
For myself, it will be when I no longer consider it safe to communicate or associate openly with other Objectivists. This is less likely to be due to direct government attack, than it will be from Kristallnacht events directed at us and sympathizers by SA-style elements of the Left and the religious right -- tacitly sanctioned by government in the form of oddly selective policing, and gun confiscation.
Should that happen, we will be done. I will withdraw to a vantage point somewhere, outside of any large cities, and ... watch it all go. |
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 | Friday, November 21, 2008 at 15:27:27 mst
Comment ID: #3
Name: Jim May
E-mail: seerak(at)gmail.com
hit submit too soon.
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The good news is that we are nowhere near that state. The bad news is that IMO we can get there very fast. |
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 | Friday, November 21, 2008 at 15:53:49 mst
Comment ID: #4
Name: Kevin Clark
"This is less likely to be due to direct government attack, than it will be from Kristallnacht events directed at us and sympathizers by SA-style elements of the Left and the religious right -- tacitly sanctioned by government in the form of oddly selective policing, and gun confiscation."
Wow, that's almost too terrifying to contemplate but I too feel it is a very real possibility. I often imagine what the cultural reaction will be when Objectivism makes it first big impact (possibly with the 'Atlas' movie). My guess is there will be a vicious hatred directed at Objectivists by the Daily Kos Left and the Cultural Conservative Right. Because we explicitly reject altruism there is no question that we will be hated. I wonder if we might be the Jews of the 21st century. |
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 | Saturday, November 22, 2008 at 13:07:57 mst
Comment ID: #5
Name: Jim May
E-mail: seerak(at)gmail.com
"I wonder if we might be the Jews of the 21st century. "
More like the Gypsies, I suspect -- too numerically small to be noticed in the big picture. Rather, I expect that hatred to be directed against individualists of all stripes, as they represent the third side of secular Americanism, the last remaining shard of the Enlightenment, which both the Left and Right want to see disappear.
Independent men will be the scapegoats. Ayn Rand never wrote a novel where the Howard Roarks of the world were actively hunted and persecuted in the manner of Jews in the Third Reich, probably because she hoped things would not come to such a pass. I'd like to prove her right... because the spectacle of an entire culture reaching the point James Taggart did in Atlas -- the point where he lusted after the destruction of John Galt, knowing full well his own would follow -- is horrifying to contemplate. |
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 | Sunday, November 23, 2008 at 12:51:50 mst
Comment ID: #6
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
In a recent post, Gun Van Horn <http://gusvanhorn.blogspot.com/2008/11/quick-roundup-380.html> quoted a proposal for limiting speech on the internet in South Korea:
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The proposed legislation 1) requires real-name identification system for all who post comments online; 2) mandates portals to delete "malicious entries" within 24 hours of receiving complaints; 3) requires sites with more than 100,000 visitors, rather than the current 300,000, to verify user identities. Violators -- both providers and consumers -- can face jail time and/or substantive monetary fines. And the national police has been deployed to "hunt, arrest, and punish" individuals who upload falsities and pernicious rumors.
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http://www.feer.com/politics/2008/november/Taming-Koreas-Wild-Wild-Web
Outright bans won't work in the US -- not for some time -- but the success of very burdensome campaign finance laws shows that this kind of regulation might just pass muster. |
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 | Sunday, November 23, 2008 at 12:57:17 mst
Comment ID: #7
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
John -- Thanks for the book recommendation. Do you have any other books on business management that you think those of us interested in spreading ideas should definitely read? |
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