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 | Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 7:38:06 mst
Comment ID: #1
Name: Richard Nikoley
E-mail: rnikoley(at)gmail.com
URL: http://www.freetheanimal.com
Diana:
Not to overwhelm your readers, but since you highlighted some of Stephan's work, let me call attention to another "mind-blowing" series that I have been itching to blog about, but haven't yet, as I wanted to test it out for myself. I've now done that with unbelievable results which I'll describe briefly below.
Activator X
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/activator-x.html
Vitamin K2, menatetrenone (MK-4)
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/vitamin-k2-menatetren ...
Vitamin Deficiency
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/vitamin-deficiency.html
More Fat-Soluble Vitamin Musing
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-fat-soluble-vita ...
Also, here's a doozy he linked to in that first article, by Chris Masterjohn:
On the Trail of the Elusive X-Factor
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-fat-soluble-vita ...
I'll leave your readers to get the background, but my story is that I had been bugged by my dentist for 5 or 6 years about worsening gums. I was having 4 deep cleanings per year, getting worse, and so in about 2001 or so had two surgeries. It only helped marginally and I still had to have 3 cleanings per year. Even with brushing and flossing obsessively, the "pockets" (as they describe them) were just too deep to get the bacteria out.
Fast forward to the last year. Once I began eating Paleo, i.e., no grains in particular, I ended up missing my cleaning appointment. I didn't reschedule. Eventually, they contacted me and I went it. It had been about a year and the hygienist, who has been working on me for 15 yeas says something like "this is probably going to be a tough one." See I always had to have this numbing mouthwash because the cleaning was so painful. She handed it to me and I said I didn't think I'd need it. Then she had a look, did her measurements where she sees how deep and hard she had to go to induce a bleed, and immediately called the dentist in.
"His measurements are better than 15 years ago. There's plaque, but it's all 'super.'" (meaning: superficial)
Fast forward again. I've been on cod liver oil and "Activator X" (Vitamin K2, menatetrenone (MK-4)) in "butter oil" form for a few months and you might find this difficult to believe, or "gross," but I rarely have even a need of brushing my teeth, anymore. I use a wooden toothpick to dislodge food caught between teeth, and that's about it. Each morning, I wake up with smooth pearls in my mouth and it's amazing. A side benefit is always soft and smooth skin. I've just about got my wife off her lifelong addiction to body cream.
Now, Weston Price documented over 60 years ago treating his patients with a combo of cod liver oil and K2 in butter oil form and had dental cavities re-calcify, in one case, something like 42 cavities in seven months.
There's a whole lot more to this, which is why I recommend the book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration." Also, I know this all sounds "to good to be true." If you knew me, you'd know I'm the most skeptical guy around when it comes to "miracle cures," but Price's work was published in med journals and verified by other physicians. And there's my personal results that are far from just imagination, hopefulness, or placebo. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 7:42:08 mst
Comment ID: #2
Name: Richard Nikoley
E-mail: rnikoley(at)gmail.com
URL: http://www.freetheanimal.com
Oh, one more thing: The plaque I had (particularly on the inside lower front teeth) when I began this treatment was already pretty thick, as always. It gets so thick I can't pass air or liquid between the teeth. Within days it was dissolved and in months has only gotten smoother. Can't wait until my next cleaning appointment. I'm going to blow their minds. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 8:03:21 mst
Comment ID: #3
Name: Rational Jenn
E-mail: rationaljenn(at)gmail.com
URL: http://rationaljenn.blogspot.com
Diana, have you happened across any articles/studies concerning nursing mothers and ketosis? As in, is it safe for baby, are the toxins that are released from the cells passed into breastmilk? I've not found much in my searches and thought maybe you might have a link you could point me to. The only thing I've seen that addresses this is an old article from LLL that basically says "we don't know, so be on the safe side and avoid ketosis when nursing." Thanks! |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 8:16:35 mst
Comment ID: #4
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
Jenn -- I would ask Micheal Eades about that, as he's the most likely person to know, given his background. He doesn't list an e-mail, but he also doesn't seem to mind random questions in his comments -- and he's quite diligent about answering them. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 9:15:41 mst
Comment ID: #5
Name: Rational Jenn
E-mail: rationaljenn(at)gmail.com
URL: http://rationaljenn.blogspot.com
Thanks! |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 9:38:56 mst
Comment ID: #6
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
I just added a link to Eades' latest post: "Carbohydrates are addictive"
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/ketones-and-ketosis/carbohydrate ...
It discusses some research suggesting that the growth of cancerous tumors can be slowed or stopped by a low-carb diet because cancer can only use glucose for fuel, while healthy cells can use ketones as fuel. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 10:05:12 mst
Comment ID: #7
Name: Richard Nikoley
E-mail: rnikoley(at)gmail.com
URL: http://www.freetheanimal.com
Another sort of evolutionary aspect of the cancer thing is new research that suggests that fasting before chemo puts healthy cells in a protective mode that tips the balance in the war of attrition.
http://www.physorg.com/news126202490.html |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 10:20:13 mst
Comment ID: #8
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
Richard -- Thanks for posting the link to the info on chemo and fasting. I found that fascinating when I read about it a few days ago.
I hope to see the same kinds of improvements in my teeth that you've had. I've had trouble with persistently inflamed gums and way too many cavities for years. The problem is semi-under-control with four trips to the dentist per year, but I'd like to make the situation better. So I'll definitely try the butter oil. (I do make and eat my own homemade raw milk butter, but probably not enough of it.) |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 10:49:45 mst
Comment ID: #9
Name: Brian Schwartz
E-mail: brian.schwartz(at)yahoo.com
URL: http://wakalix.com
Hey Diana,
Thanks for the references! I've printed out both Taubes articles.
I'm curious about the modern vegetable oils that you avoid. I'll do a search myself on these, but if you have any references on why one should avoid them (beyond references above, which might suffice) I'd like to know.
I might not be the first to point this out, but given your blogging on the harms of a high-carb diet, the name "NoodleFood" is ironic. :)
B |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 11:07:12 mst
Comment ID: #10
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
In addition to the links provided, Taubes has some interesting data on the modern vegetable oils in GC,BC -- particularly on the increased rates of cancer when people substitute them for saturated fats like butter. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 11:53:04 mst
Comment ID: #11
Name: Richard Nikoley
E-mail: rnikoley(at)gmail.com
URL: http://www.freetheanimal.com
Diana:
I was hoping that the butter oil could be done by one's self, as it's a bit pricy (there's a synthetic K2 (MK-4) that Stephan refers to that I think costs far less. Anyway, tuns out that it's not as simple as clarified butter or ghee. First, it has to be from cows grazed on fast growing spring and fall grasses. Next, it has to be clarified, and then centrifuged (alternatively, cooled very slowly and the darker part that separates to the top is the stuff with the high concentration). |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 14:20:05 mst
Comment ID: #12
Name: Adam Reed
E-mail: adamreedatalumdotmitdotedu
URL: http://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/areed2
Diana,
Gary Taubes' "Big Fat Lies" lecture is definitely worth the while. Its surface theme, that carbs -> insulin -> triglycerides -> fat -> obesity, is something that I already knew about since my internist's nurse-practitioner put me on a low-carb diet some years ago to control my triglyceride levels. But Taubes has a deeper theme, which is the pervasive Pragmatist anti-conceptualism ("dust-bowl Empiricism") of the American Public Health culture in nutrition and epidemiology. These people (I can't call them scientists) ignore and evade the entire conceptual structure of scientific biology to advance their pseudo-moral political-cultural agenda. And (Taubes does not say it, but it should be pretty obvious to an Objectivist) their political-cultural agenda is rooted in the Christian memes that pleasure is sinful, and that "the wages of sin is death" - so that the very pleasurable high protein, high natural fat diet that you or I use to good effect, is contrary to Christian values and therefore cannot possibly be morally right - no matter what the measured and conceptually integrated facts of scientific biology might be. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 15:53:16 mst
Comment ID: #13
Name: OistPostGrad
E-mail: post&Go(at)yahoo.com
"And (Taubes does not say it, but it should be pretty obvious to an Objectivist) their political-cultural agenda is rooted in the Christian memes that pleasure is sinful, and that "the wages of sin is death""
Taubes does not make this point explicitly but he does repeatedly emphasize that the low-fat crowd attack Americans with their "gluttony and sloth" arguments; ie that Americans eat too much and don't exercise enough. Attacks on "gluttony and sloth" do have a Christian ring to them.
My guess is that the lipid hypothesis which demonizes fat does have an appeal to a religious mindset. But it has since been picked up by the anti-capitalist left. If you read many of the paleo / low-carb sites you will find that many of them are run by leftists who constantly attack capitalism and "big business", "big Pharma", "big Argra", big Food Corporations, etc (Mark Sisson is an example). The major argument is that these companies are selling us bad foods and useless drugs just to make a profit; ie "profits ahead of people".
So I do not doubt that Christians could easily adapt the anti-fat craze to their anti-pleasure philosophy. But I would say that the lipid hypothesis and related nonsense is in the vanguard of the Welfare-Statists and Nanny-Statists most of which are Leftists. Also, the media is totally anti-fat and anti-low carb (see Dr. Eades for info on this). And the media is under the control of the Left. Hell, its the propaganda arm of the Left. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 16:57:53 mst
Comment ID: #14
Name: Richard Nikoley
E-mail: rnikoley(at)gmail.com
URL: http://www.freetheanimal.com
Just a quick ring. I've left political blogging, but I'm an anarchist, just for reference and disclosure, but am uninterested in arguing it (15 years is enough!), and Diana wouldn't permit it anyway, nor should she 'cause it aint her value and this is her blog and not mine, and I respect her a lot. So, feel free to dismiss me on that basis, but if not, I'm very happy to exchange values on food, fitness and related.
I agree mostly with the previous two commenters. And, I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household, was schooled at a small fundamentalist Baptist church, and attended a year at Tennessee Temple University -- roughly Bob Jones equivalent. Then I got a brain. A large part of my political blogging was hostility to religion. It's a highly emotional topic, as I understand first hand how it cripples young minds in critical and twisted ways.
That said, my perspective is slightly different. Aside from the political / religious overtones, I see it as a classic American ethic gone way wrong. One reason, I think, Christianity works here as it does is there's a valid secular element to it; namely: that you have to be willing to tough things out and suffer (people call it "sacrifice") in order to get the benefits down the road, if they materialize at all. The classic fundamentalist Christian angle is so damn close to that. Amazing market positioning -- or whatever. Of course, this was all way better understood a hundred years ago when safety nets didn't exist, risk was real, and people would set off with no assurance they'd even survive.
Americans are simply very susceptible to the idea that good only comes from hard work, delayed gratification, and on and on. There's a healthy element to that, in that genuine top values require top work and often lots of risk to produce.
Think of it this way: Christians are working for a spot in heaven that makes a billionaire's life seem tame. They really believe this. It's fantasy, but they're not about something for nothing, which is a good thing. It's just woefully missunderstood and applied.
Just my take.
BTW, I feel real comfortable here. In spite of political differences, I love the hostility to all things religious. It's like candy. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 18:15:45 mst
Comment ID: #15
Name: brian0918
E-mail: my handle, through gmail
Diana, I read the exercise article, and watched his whole lecture. Amazing stuff! I can't believe the 1948 article saying the whole exercise/calorie restriction was debunked, but then it caught on for the next 60 years. I'm definitely buying Good Calories, Bad Calories now. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 19:25:50 mst
Comment ID: #16
Name: Anonymous
I just bought and received a copy of GC,BC and am starting to read it. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 19:28:22 mst
Comment ID: #17
Name: Anonymous
As for Activator X: I'm sure you get a more concentrated dose if you get either the high-vitamin butter oil or the other supplements mentioned above (and the butter oil IS expensive, I bought it once or twice a couple of years ago).
If Organic Pastures is correct, however, if you eat raw butter in any quantity, you will be getting at least some Activator X in your diet, though obviously not as much as if you take a specific supplement for it. And anyway, raw butter tastes just wonderful! I hope to buy some again soon. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 21:40:43 mst
Comment ID: #18
Name: brian0918
E-mail: my handle, through gmail
I got a block of "drunken goat cheese" last week and it's great stuff - all kinds of interesting flavors mixing together. |
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| Saturday, October 11, 2008 at 23:44:21 mst
Comment ID: #19
Name: Diana Hsieh
E-mail: diana(at)dianahsieh.com
URL: http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog
Taubes does often suggest that the lipid hypothesis is supported by religious dogmas about "gluttony" and "sloth." That's why, in the last paragraph of his essay on exercise, he says that "it may be time to take a scientific or biological view of our excesses rather than a biblical one." |
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| Sunday, October 12, 2008 at 16:16:44 mst
Comment ID: #20
Name: Anonymous
The connection to religious dogmas about "gluttony" and "sloth" may also have a bearing on some people's negative reaction to the very idea of making losing fat easier by, for example, giving people Armour Thyroid to as to boost thyroid function, or to a leptin pill, etc. Somehow it's not real weight/fat loss unless we suffer for it. |
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| Sunday, October 12, 2008 at 21:29:12 mst
Comment ID: #21
Name: Anonymous
TO BRIAN: What in the world is "drunken goat cheese?" I've tasted goat cheese, but "drunken goat cheese"? And where did you find such an, er, delicacy? ;) |
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| Monday, October 13, 2008 at 6:08:31 mst
Comment ID: #22
Name: brian0918
E-mail: my handle, through gmail
Anon: Apparently it's cheese dipped in red wine. The outside edge is purple in color. Here is a good picture:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41a0J-RHVDL._SL500_AA280_.jpg |
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| Monday, October 13, 2008 at 6:10:14 mst
Comment ID: #23
Name: brian0918
E-mail: my handle, through gmail
I got it at Whole Foods, the only time I've shopped there, and I probably won't go back. There are local stores that have more choice, and they didn't have any nitrate-free bacon or other meats that I thought they would, and no grass-fed beef. |
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| Wednesday, October 15, 2008 at 0:31:49 mst
Comment ID: #24
Name: Anonymous
BRIAN918: Thanks for the information. If I run into any "drunken goat cheese," I'll pick up a chunk and see how I like it. I don't have a Whole Foods near to me, and right now they're too pricy for me to shop there very much... |
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