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| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 13:13:20 mst
Comment ID: #1 Name: Steve D'Ippolito It seems to me that if they are going to presume to give out awards, or even a rating (similar to stars on a hotel) it's incumbent on them to actually read the material provided, at the very least. | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 14:23:13 mst
Comment ID: #2 Name: Grant Williams E-mail: grant.d.williams at gmail Basically, the question of is it ethical to do what Mr. Goldstein did boils down to "is it ethical to take the law into one's own hands?" Presumably, if Mr. Goldstein had taken his suspicions to the police and convinced them that something needed to be done, they would have performed the same sort of sting operation. | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 14:57:21 mst
Comment ID: #3 Name: Dan I see no legal wrongdoing on the part of the magazine, so I don't see why it would make sense to go the police. Shoddy research isn't fraud. | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 16:00:44 mst
Comment ID: #4 Name: Mike E-mail: mikedialjatnetscapedotnet I'm a big fan of Howard Stern. Some of Howard's listeners often fool national-level newcasters like Peter Jennings, by phoning in an claiming to be witnessing OJ Simpson running from the law. It just proves that anyone can call a news station and claim to be anyone witnessing anything. The networks seldom check their sources. | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 21:02:15 mst
Comment ID: #5 Name: Adam Reed E-mail: adamreedatalumdotmitdotedu URL: http://www.calstatela.edu/faculty/areed2 In this case, as in the "Sokal Hoax," the tester performed a useful public service. It is a fraud to accept any value, even only the price of a periodical, for work that the payer (such as a subscriber to the Wine Spectator) is led to believe had been done, and that in fact was not done. When the swindler is protected from legal charges of fraud by an intrinsicist understanding of "freedom of the press" (or of "academic freedom" in Sokal, etc.) a freelance "sting" may be the only way to expose the fraud. | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 22:54:32 mst
Comment ID: #6 Name: BrianS E-mail: blspro (at) gmail "So was the magazine acting fraudulently or in ignorance?" | ||
| Monday, August 25, 2008 at 23:20:55 mst
Comment ID: #7 Name: Jim May E-mail: seerak(at)gmail.com BrianS writes: | ||
| Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 5:46:05 mst
Comment ID: #8 Name: Grant Williams E-mail: grant.d.williams at gmail I would agree with BrianS and Jim May. Earlier, when I mentioned the terms "fraud" and "police", I was assuming a much greater degree of deceit. I reallize that from the information given in the post it is not possible to determine if Wine Spectator violated it's own explicit testing standards. I simply assumed such a thing had occured in order to demonstrate that Mr. Goldstein's actions were ethical; regardless of the degree of negligence/deceit/fraud involved. I wanted to point out that the only ethical consideration weighing against his actions would be that should the matter warrant the involvement of law enforcement, it might be better to defer to it. | ||
| Tuesday, August 26, 2008 at 8:55:39 mst
Comment ID: #9 Name: Rachel E-mail: raemeg(at)gmail.com I have no idea how this issue would stand in today's law. But I'm reminded strongly of such concerns as Consumer Reports, which verify product quality. Compare such agencies with the FDA, another alleged quality check. Given their nature as guardians of quality and reputation, given that they have made this their purpose, I think it is fraudulent for them to be less than utterly vigilant in their investigative practices. It is one thing for someone to make a claim in ignorance or after incomplete evaluation if it is not that person's job to do so. We don't pay them for such a service. | ||
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